tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9555343.post6620471326382795314..comments2023-08-28T03:21:40.351-07:00Comments on To all the world...: A Response to Ephraim RadnerRobert S. Mundayhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07377574491812912442noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9555343.post-88024823128873694512007-08-03T13:25:00.000-07:002007-08-03T13:25:00.000-07:00While I would never have attacked Bishop Duncan in...While I would never have attacked Bishop Duncan in the way that Fr. Radner did, I must confess that I understand his frustration. When I made my read of Bp. Duncan's comments, I couldn't believe my ears. I also thought the comments were inflammatory would only serve to divide, and not unite.<BR/><BR/>I have not had time to go back and reread the Windsor Report or the Primates Communique from Ireland, but I was under the impression that we were asked to be patient and hang tight until Lambeth 2008, and I thought that if things did not happen by then, then it would be time for some serious upheaval.<BR/><BR/>While I understand the anger and the frustration that many, including myself, feel (I am a refugee seminarian whose parish was forced to leave TEC because of a bishop who acted in a heavy handed manner), I thought that we were supposed to patiently endure our suffering, as Jesus did, until the appointed time.<BR/><BR/>I am seeing two things among the orthodox right now that are frustrating me. The first is an impatience and an unwillingness to suffer. The second is a giving up on the Anglican Communion, and this can be seen in the African Primates who are boycotting Lambeth 2008. It seems to me that, if they do this, they are just handing over the Anglican Communion to the liberal faction that will remain when the Africans don't show up. It sounds like saving the Anglican Communion has already been completely written off, and it sounds like it is the easy way out. While I think TEC may be lost, I do not think that Anglican Communion is lost. IMHO, attacking two of the Instruments of Unity (especially the Lambeth Conference before it even happens!) is not going to do anything toward saving our beloved communion.<BR/><BR/>But like you, I agree that Fr. Radner should not have said what he said. By doing so, he committed the same act that he was deploring about Bishop Duncan. It's really sad that things are coming down to this.Townsendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02394981580432972411noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9555343.post-90362432139533437292007-08-03T09:16:00.000-07:002007-08-03T09:16:00.000-07:00I don't think Dr. Radner+'s comments were prompted...I don't think Dr. Radner+'s comments were prompted by any sort of optimism, but rather by a combination of his ecclesiology (laid out in great, not to say inordinate, depth in his many books) and the realization that however we may personally feel and however desperate may be the particular situation of individuals and parishes facing ECUSA repression, it is nonetheless true that the action of the Primates after Sept. 30 will have an enormous effect on the status of orthodox Anglicanism in North America. And it is equally true that, given the recent turnover in the Primates, the leanings of the ABC will in turn have an effect on the decisions of the Primates.<BR/><BR/>Over the last several months +++Rowan has appeared to be increasingly under the influence of the thoroughly revisionist Anglican Communion Office, which at this point appears to be running the show. But he may yet be brought to his senses, and simply writing him off -- as +Duncan appeared to, though it seems he was misquoted -- is at best premature and at worst monumentally counterproductive.<BR/><BR/>I agree that Dr R+'s statement was (uncharacteristically) rash and uncharitably worded. But I also believe that some such action on his part was necessary -- particularly given that the ACI's audience since its inception has <I>not</I> been American orthodox, but rather the Primates and the ABC.<BR/><BR/>So optimism has played little part in this affair; if anything, it is perhaps more Dr R+'s pessimism, based on his extensive study of institutional fragmentation within the Church in the past -- the Nonjurors, the Jansenists, the French church, and so on and so on nearly endlessly.Craig Goodrichhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08624767388702032189noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9555343.post-42884068828546617182007-08-03T06:53:00.000-07:002007-08-03T06:53:00.000-07:00AMEN!!!!!!AMEN!!!!!!James Gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08020891895617539526noreply@blogger.com